How do you explain the Enclave can kidnap entire vault/village and not 2 guys and a kid ? By sending a lot of men out with knives and light uniforms, they make sure that the few who come back have that combination of bravery, smarts, loyalty and initiative - that they are the best warriors, most suited to father the next generation of recruits by the sex slaves mentioned earlier. That, and AngryArmour's comment is why I love the Legion as a faction so much. Very well put, much better than I could ever hope for. I think that while they are able to make weapons from the terrain and may be 'hardier' men than most armies, if it were real combat the legion would be slaughtered as a result of their inferior weapons set. After the hard shit of taking and taming the lands, you get to be the good that everyone wants. To them its all about how safe the people back in Legion territory are. The trophy was added by GRA I think, I'd already killed him with a gun by then. If they overwork them and the slaves die, so be it. You can argue about it all you wish, but my opinion on that wont change sadly. It is a great defense against wrestlers as well as strikers who aren’t as adept in the art. I like that idea, it would make the late game feel less trivial. The Weathers family, too. -The reason why the Legion kills is because its for a purpose. No, it would only get more stringent. ), [–]AltusIsXDLONG LIVE THE BEAR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). They don't want to play the NCR every time, so they put themselves in the head of a legion soldier and try to think like them. Now there's a man who was a walking cartoon character! [–]SuperintendentDan 61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (0 children). This article is within the scope of the Fallout: New Vegas dialogue project.This project is designed to allow users to link to pages containing a character's dialogue for simpler and cleaner references by sorting through, cleaning up and categorizing quotes from every major character in Fallout: New Vegas..If you want to participate, please check the project page. Everyone has a role to fill, and a job to do, The men fight, the women bear children, those brought into slavery build and work. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Same reason why he won't send his legionaries into House's vault. You're so smart and perfect anyway. but, i can walk in, and not do anything, and then they turn. I don't think they had good reason (it's been a long time) but I remember really hating the legion. Walmart would like their workers to work for free, but no one will. Very well put, much better than I could ever hope for. So why are there more slaves today, in this age of the most advanced technology the world has ever seen, than in any other year in the history of our species? [–]MarxistSociologist 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (6 children). I'd imagine that the Legion's character would very much shift once it gained a real proper center of operations. I'll preface this with the fact I'm indifferent to NV (played it, liked it, not my favorite Fallout though), just in case the "rose tinted glasses" argument comes up. [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). By Kyleanne Hunter Best Defense guest columnist. I feel like part of the family and I've made so many new friends.” About us. The Legion had the potential to be the most interesting faction to ever grace a Fallout game. Humiliation of the enemy. But I 100% agree what we have in vanilla is an evil faction slaving innocents, murdering towns and seeming backwards with football pads and no modern medicine. Do not spam. Now Germany being the head state of the EU, while hating Russia, knows that they cannot beat them and so bides their time. You keep that in mind and its no wonder every time the Legion talks about the NCR all they talk about is how corrupt it is. vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D2_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Honored to speak with you, sir. /r/falloutlore - The lore of the Fallout series, /r/classicfallout - Classic Fallout Games, /r/falloutmods - Fallout modding community. Confusing the two is literally what they teach you NOT to do in English classes. Civilized in this case means romanized. I mean think about it. He has no respect for towns in which the locals have no loyalties, so destroyed it, and forced its inhabitants to enter a lottery. Aside from Caesar being interestingly written, there was never a doubt in my mind that the sexist, crucifixion obsessed slavers were the definitive "evil" faction in the game. Vault 13 and Arroyo were an infinitely higher priority for the Enclave, and thus they sent a lot more soldiers to deal with them. Caesar describes why he "underequips" his troops. It is because all of their crimes are perpetrated against the filthy profligates, whom are unworthy of life anyway. They targeted Nelson because they saw it as immoral and full of debauchery, not for any military purpose. Do you think that justifies the lack of political freedom? I'm actually pleasantly surprised reading through this thread that it's a generally well-accepted idea that they are basically dicks as well. F:NV focuses well on having 4 factions (NCR, Legion, House, and Yes Man) that all work. Staunchly religious people's minds are dominated by emotion over analytic thinking, a study has suggested That, and AngryArmour's comment is why I love the Legion as a faction so much. Maybe he "adopts" someone as an heir like Julius Caesar adopted Augustus. seriously confused. just try going through Fallout 4 faster than was intended -- get to the Jamaica Plain / Quincy Quarry / Hyde Park area around level 12 or so and look in wonder at all the enemies with skulls after their names. [NEW VEGAS] Can't finish No, Not Much, because Colonel Hsu doesn't realize I've completed 2 out of his 3 quests. If it had better outfits and much more content, I would side with them in every playthrough. So I want to play the legion once, with Caesar's regime and Factions Reloaded - Legion mods, (no other mods though). © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. I think the game was supposed to have more morally grey legion end to quests, but as we all know the NCR was completed first and the game shipped rushed. And killed every single one of them. It is up to the player to rationalize the best option, and each faction appeals to unique reasoning/thought processes. [–]HeavenAndHellD2argthe least scumbag group at least 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), they have a semblance of purpose for being evil, but i agree that they are pure evil in the end, [–]villianboyBrotherhood Paladin 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), Because they make the wasteland safe in the areas under their control, unfortunately a lot of their part of the story isn't there, [–]LasagnaMuncher 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). He's a petty, vindictive man, wanting to rub the grown-ups' nose in it for not putting him in charge of everything to begin with. The romans were not fair and fun-loving at first, they conquered and killed and enslaved all they came across. There is no logical reason for them to sell slaves. That's what slavery is. Hell if the BOS wanted to they could launch a mini nuke right into Ceasars bunker. and slowly turn the wasteland into your own kingdom by acquisition instead of Legion-like conquest and NCR forced assimilation. [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (9 children). Secondly the Viet Cong were fighting a defensive insurgents war. Despite this people say the legion is good because some traders said they feel safe in Legion territory. Restrict everything of the predecessor, the person who was, originally, for the people cracks down on everything and oppression is rampant, but shit gets done. Caesar's legion won't survive him, it would turn into a Alexander the Great's heirs situation. However, Caesar's Rome, an established civilian state, would survive him, and Rome is New Vegas. The Legion needs fighters, and it needs a constant supply of them - absorbing small tribes from out in the desert isn't enough anymore to replenish the Legion. /r/falloutcosplayers - Fallout-related cosplay, /r/galaxynewsradio - Fallout-sounding music. Speaking of food, in martial societies the slaves tend to be the ones who work the land, because it is beneath a warrior caste. I thought everyone agreed more or less that they were the bad guys? The Legion are clearly villains and some players are really drawn to it. Likewise Legion lands are egalitarian to a fault. He lays on the symbolism pretty thick himself, calling the Colorado river his Rubicon, New Vegas his Rome. [–]Omny87Average-Sized-Dick Johnson 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Seen some topics that custom clothing don't show in cutscenes like Breakpoint bivouac. Walmart would rather pay wages, and have their workers figure room and board out for themselves. [–]whiskeymedic 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). Therefore this guy clearly isn't a cartoonish villain because he attempts to justify himself, even if his justification is even worse than if he never gave 1 at all. In the Fallout world, that might just work. Anyone else? there is no point where any of these factions have something that we can point to and say "this is an indefensible flaw, an error that cannot be rationalized or fixed". [–]ANUSTART942Press X to SHAUN 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children). [–]forerunner398/r/totallynotfrumentarii 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]FalloutNightBrotherhood 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). The Legion seems pretty heavily like the knights templar trope without the religious tones you typically expect from such a group. In those days people didn't like mixing out and valued their autonomy and homogeneity. The Survivalist, a tough loner who plays on Very Hard Hardcore mode. The Stormcloaks are racist, just like everyone else in Tamriel? They are not evil because they made a choice to be evil for it's own sake, they are evil becaue they decided that was an acceptable price to pay to accomplish goals that are admirable. I always had the feeling that the Legion was meant to be the obvious bad guy faction in the game. The reason they probably don't is due to the location of the Legion in the mountains, where using vehicles is pointless, and the lack of knowledge on how to operate said equipment; as most of Caesar's Legion, used to be Tribal Savages who didn't even understand how to use guns. The Legion are cruel slavers who crucify those they deem degenerate. Caesar clearly states in his dialogue that his entire goal for taking over the Mojave, ins't just to expand, it's to transform his nomadic empire, into a true state with real staying power. Acquisition of slaves via conquest made up a big part of their economy. Last Defense Eliminate the lieutenant leading the assault. Posts promoting or facilitating piracy in any way will be removed. EDIT: To make this clear, I hate the Legion because they are fuckers. The legion is even more expansionist than the NCR and they're much more violent about it. I can be down with the idea that they are trying to unify people and distribute resources among the Mojave Wasteland, but unfortunately they appear IMO not to have a public service kind of mindset. Get involved . Well, as I said, terrain plays a big role. Actually, it doesn't effect anything in gameplay except for the ending, I guess that Yes Man wants you more alliance than any of the others, go with whatever you want, all it does is just going around the hoover dam and see the supporters of yours taking over or defend. So far I have three different characters on the go: 1. [–]Vault121 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children), https://www.google.fr/search?q=frank+horrigan+encounter&oq=frank+horrigan+encounter&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i61.3189j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8, [–]Swampeyaway1 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child). Incoming! They are basically ISIS of the wasteland. I understand liking the Legion in that they're an interesting faction, but as a rule I don't trust anyone who thinks they're not pure evil. Intelligence- 1 Legion… My legion run was bent on "yeah this shit is messed up. The country recorded 179.8 deaths of new infections per 100,000 residents over the last seven days, a new high and significantly more than the 149 … I don't think you understand slavery. 3 years ago. [–]taw -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (3 children). Synthesis and Antithesis! People easily forgot shitty things in Obsidian/Interplay games. Ceasar cannot advance in such a war. After you’ve dealt with it, Veteran Rangers start spawning in marked NCR locations. (The God Of War) Charisma- 1 The Legion has no time to talk to Profligates. [–]Katamariguy1 END 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). Here you will find a Fiend named Violet with a pack of dogs led by Violetta. I know, I didn't have a knife on me though. The Strip under House is safe but it's just a small area. I love the Legion as far as lore and design, and I found them really interesting to explore and learn about in-game, but I definitely see them as being the obvious "in your face" bad guys and the NCR as being the insidious "pretending to be good guys" bad guys. [–]TheWombatFromHellNCR 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]HughesJohnEnclave 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Or could, even if they wanted to. Las Vegas unemployment numbers hit Great Recession levels Businesses across the country are facing new restrictions as COVID-19 cases surge. Now those leaders are acting like they will invade Saudi Arabia because it's not a country religious enough. [–]ManceRaid 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (0 children). (That annoyed Carlyle because he was a racist piece of shit and thought that black people would just laze around all day if they weren't forced to work. People who want to diss economics like to refer to it as the "dismal science", forgetting why Carlyle called it that. Something similar with Gaunter O'Dim from W3:HoS. I love new vegas, and when you read the fallout bible you get a glimpse of what could have been with the legion, but they didnt develop them enough and what you see instead is a faction thats evil for stupid, shitty reasons that dont make much sense. Because of Caesar's ideology, it is also likely then that this is why he has held out on declaring an official heir. [–]AbeLincolnsFreckles 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children). It's very easy to shit on the Legion when everything we get to see is what they do on the frontline and on their early stages of development (whereas the NCR is already fully developed in that regard, what you see is what you get and it is not going to change). Your Royal Canadian Legion is committed to making a difference in the lives of Veterans and their families, providing essential services in our communities, and remembering the men and women who sacrificed for our country. [–]TheWombatFromHellNCR 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (4 children). Fallout 76 PSA: Santatron Collectron gathers Holiday Gifts for you. IMO any game that can make you literally hate the villan, has done it's job and is a great game. A town you later find out was full of crooks and gangbangers. Raider attacks arent much of a problem to the people within the area anymore because the Legion protects it. Those unable to fill these expectations die, but it's more resources for those that can survive. I don't know how they would've made a faction that kidnaps people to enslave them not be evil. Simple sexual pleasure. They see a fast-growing fast-spreading faction and think "they must be doing something right; therefore, they must be right. And certainly not in New Vegas either. [–]SabyZNCR 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children), killing and enslaving a large amount of the population. And he outlawed all use of modern medicine (except for when he needs it) and any advanced technology that could improve everyone's lives. The Legion appears to have an almost Social Darwinist view of the world. Personally I don't defend the Legion because I don't mind a bit of bureaucracy if it means I can fill out some paperwork and have an armed squad come clear out the mole rats that ate my cat. More than 1 in 10 of your posts or comments being self-promotional is spamming. Let me give you a modern day example: Let's say Germany under Angela Merkel invades and occupies Poland. Yes and No. It could add a sense of panic as you navigate through it while constantly defending yourself from what are basically zombies, [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children). [–]Bareyn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child), I thought this was the World of Warcraft sub at first and I was very confused as to why people.would defend the Burning Legion (basically a big army of demons from another planet who want to expunge all life from the universe), [–]HughesJohnEnclave 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), I was very confused as to why people.would defend the Burning Legion, basically a big army of demons from another planet who want to expunge all life from the universe, [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children). You'll also not suffer from NCR's corruption, since you don't depend on them. He has no interest in talking to the chosen one, so he doesn't beyond his introduction. They won't attack you unless you start it or your Karma is bad with them.-When you reach Vegas, you will be approached on the street by a Legion member who requests you … Just consider this. ", [–]pieceofchess 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child). Because it's new vegas and Obsidian, I can only imagine the grief Bethesda would've got if they put a bunch of loonys running around dressed as romans in the game. No. Caesar plans on turning New Vegas into his Rome. A fallout game with certain enemies so tough you cannot kill them before they kill you, like SWATs or something, to police would create a much more interesting atmosphere. From the looks of their settlement, there was probably more that they intended to do with the Khans and then it was nixed or they never got around to it. /r/Wasteland - A subreddit for the Wasteland games. Focused on sniping, survival and repair, has affinity with boone and a soft spot for the NCR's mission (and their ranger armour). [–]Motherdragon64Chandler Bing 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). It make no sense, the dialogues are writted with the ass and you don't have interaction. The legions lack of use of actual technology would be its undoing. Because large amounts of the population are tribals? diversification and immigration are forced upon them against their will; 4.) Thank you! All the stuff about the legion being "morally gray" as elaborating how people describe their thoughts on the legion. "Justice" is swift and cruel. When you see fighting, it's on a relatively small scale, and in hot, arid environments. In real life the Legion would be unlikely to attack from the front in a wide, open area. No one can know that Graham is alive. Discord promotion not allowed. Again, you are still sticking with the present Legion and not the future Legion, which is why you still see them as "pure villains". [–]HughesJohnEnclave 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children), Not me, honestly. That's part of what makes him a great villain. The legion has no chance. As far as villains go, Caesar's Legion is almost on the same level as The Master's Army. That went for every recruit I met on the farm. Civilisation is not quite the word you're looking for. He could sow terror and force the NCR to be as ruthless and unforgiving as himself giving locals no choice but to join him. The Legion adhere to a Totalitarian Ideology that has them fight against the decadence of civilisation, establishing a far more brutal order of slaves and public executions. Really ? [–]SabyZNCR 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). The status of raiders in the ncr has practically become a meme at this point. Then someone answers that "crab is good because it's a very delicious animal that can be eaten in a variety of different ways. The Cult of Mars is taken very seriously in the Legion ranks. where is caesar's legion in fallout: new vegas 13 grudnia 2020 / w Bez kategorii / Autor / w Bez kategorii / Autor [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). In such environments, being lightly armored means you can be faster, stealthier and can travel for longer distances, which is how the Legion keeps sneaking into NCR territories for raids. Legion breed legionaries can't compare. "Cartoonishly evil" refers to a fictional entity being so evil it's like they're basically a cartoon villain, black and white. I used this to get the Luck Glasses in the Legion … People love evil guys in a lot of fiction. Do I have to play the previous games of fallout before playing fallout 4? Boones wife, for one. It was about U.S. Army soldier Matthew Cobos who risked … Not only that, but many of the advanced tech that the NCR has that the Legion does not, is already extremely limited. It's either work or die/get beaten. Though, it's perfectly ok for Caesar to use an Auto-doc, of course. Being a part of the Empire, even if it will make fighting the Thalmor easier, will still cost the Nords their homogeneity due to the typical globalisation and migration effect that empires have. He only outlawed technology which he believed made people weak. As usual, soldiers are fools & tools. The reason the term "cartoonishly evil" exists is because no one in real life is evil in the same vein cartoon villains are. People are driven to join the Legion as much as they are drawn to it. The worst of them, however, is Caesar’s Legion. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Look at what they did to Nipton. Elimination of all subgroups and ethnicities until there is only one: Legion. I will never join the Legion, nor will i side with them, BUT they do make solid interesting points. That's why 'helping' the White Legs is a very bad idea for Legion supporters and also why the White legs are never assimilated into the legion. [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children). Do you think Walmart would rather pay its workers or have them work for free? Medicine. vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D1_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Why don't you pick a side? Not really, many ISIS leaders worked for the secular government of Saddam Hussein previously. If Walmart owned slaves, then they would have to pay to take care of them. But then things fell in disarray and new people came and raped and pillaged and killed with their iron fist first then adjusted to a more well-being stance. There is one problem with the Legion though. Cuba has by far the best medical system in latin America. Which is why it is a shame we never got to see a true Legion-controlled settlement rather than just military camps and war zones. That's why its morally gray--the first we can point to say "he's evil! It's not like I spent 2 years studying this or anything. [–]krackbaby 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children). Caesar is trying to recreate Rome, but he only seems interested in all the bad parts of roman society like the torture, slavery, crucifixion, and decimation. Its absolutely ridiculous. But in recently-subjugated lands, you wouldn't know it. Not me, honestly. For Fallout: New Vegas on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "How do you beat those Caser Legion!!! I don't like or agree with them, but the main part of the Legion's appeal, I think -- at least as far as the characters in Fallout go -- is that they bring safety and order to the places that they occupy. Rape has used as a psychological weapon for ages, and even the idea of his loved ones being raped can demoralize a soldier to the point of desertion (during World War II the Germans tried to convince American soldiers that while they were fighting the Germans, non-whites were having their way with American wives at home, and after that of course millions of German women suffered the real thing at the hands of the Russians). The cruelty you see in the NV area does seem to be symtpomatic of their culture as a whole, though. Endurance- 9 The Legion doesn't believe in stimpaks,and chems being useful, that it is an insult to Mars. Vault-Tec Multiplayer Mod - \"VaultMP\" - is a multi-player mod for the PC versions of Bethesda\'s award-winning role-playing games Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.At the time, the tribe warred against seven other tribes and suffered from a lack of skill in warfare. They get to focus on the human well-being rather than the human-survival. Is this a known bug, or have I missed something? That would have been an interesting concept. I came there, saw Benny, fast travelled back out, got Boone, and we massacred the Legion, I let Boone take the final shot on Caesar. Everyone who thinks the Legion is evil doesn't see past what the game shows you in present time, as opposed to looking at the future ahead. Natural selection. I sort of likened it to (with my very limited knowledge of) Chinese dynasties. The raiders in the ncr are merely a nuisance not a real threat. It's why I would love to see a New Vegas 2 from Obsidian where the Legion wins, I don't want New Vegas to be the final appearance of this amazing faction. We can only speculate, at the end of the day. We don't see it though. Most of Britain was under Roman rule for almost 400 years, but when the Roman Empire began to falter, the people of Britain were increasingly left to defend themselves. Not by our standards, but even by the Wasteland's, that's a stretch. and join one of thousands of communities. [–]BlackwoodJohnson 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]mkerv5 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]Cotrop 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (5 children). Strength- 9 The Legion is trained in hand-to-hand and with melee weapons including trowing spears. You see children in the Legion encampments, especially boys being trained to fight - do you think they all came from consensual, loving partnerships? I was sad to see so little done with the Khans, though. Essentially it keeps them close to mortal danger and allows them no separation from the realities of combat. He used words like Hegelian Dialetics! Killing him is pointless -- killing him and then telling Eddie about it is suicide. But no, the Legion is not "morally grey" in any sense of the word. [–]Omny87Average-Sized-Dick Johnson 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). That's the problem. He only cares about killing. There is no logic and reason to have them use women as sex slaves. Like a Great Wall to protect the lands, at the cost of so so many lives--bodies being built right into the wall. Those shitheads? Plenty of characters tell you that it will all fall apart after Caesar dies so there's another reason to not auport them. You never bother to think "should I engage 4 raiders at once? Even in the game, the places where I tend to find Legion soldiers are sort of uneven, hilly, rough terrains where uniforms, heavy guns and power armor don't count as much. Some really shocking news. Free, but constantly in danger; safer, and sort of free, but consumed by corruption; or safe and honest, but brutal beyond imagination. Defend the area from incoming enemy attacks. [–]terminbee 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (6 children). You consider that encounter amazing ? The conquered Arizona is just that, a conquered territory, and it is treated as such. Livestream promotion not allowed. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). In AoD, even fighting two people at a time is very dangerous (as it should be). [–]HughesJohnEnclave 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). The Royal British Legion won't be selling Remembrance Day poppies in "certain areas" this year because they offend some minorities. If you talk to Raul, he claims that before Legion came along, legion lands were ripe with banditry, but after Legion flattened the lands, they were far safer. So the best course of action would be to squash the rebellion, restore order, and one day, drive the Russian invaders from your land. I bet a lot of this stuff has been said/posited before. They mostly had to skirmish and to run to waste resources and force the Americans to give up. i do wish to learn about them. Like, they're very interesting villains but their entire formation is one violent mess. There less referring to its government and far more talking about its perceived morals. More or less using the peace that Caeser has made via his atrocities, and attempting to rectify the atrocities after the fact. 200 % more interesting that the Legion was supposed to be less.... 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